Hi and welcome to Radical Self, the podcast where we strip away the illusions that keepyou performing, pleasing and playing small, so you can reclaim the power that's alwaysbeen yours.I'm your host Thorildur, a tantric somatic coach, truth teller and a mirror for yourmost authentic expansion.Here we go deep, we get honest and we meet the parts of you that are dying to come alive.If you have ever looked at my life and wondered how on earth I have time for multiple partners,two kids, a business, still go to the gym and have friends and apparently look likeit's fun, this episode is the honest answer.This is really what it is.And I have not explained this, I have not shared this in this way, I mean I've sharedit when people ask me at workshops or in my coaching, but I haven't shared it publiclyso I'm excited and I think it's not going to be what you think it is, well actuallyI'm curious what you think it is.So if you want to go ahead and pause right now and text me and tell me how you thinkI have time for this, I would love to hear it.I've also heard people tell me that there's a myth.That is possible, so I'm curious to know what you think is actually happening.Anyway, so the question is, how do you have time for multiple relationships, kids, a joband you know, being human?And I do get this question a lot.I often joke and I say, well I have a time traveling necklace like Hermione from HarryPotter.Like that's what I say.When people ask this kind of as a joke because yeah, I'm aware that to the outside it maylook like a lot and yeah, I'm not surprised that it's weird.So here I'm going to explain it.I feel like people look at me with this bewilderment, with a mix of like admiration and then disbeliefand even suspicion or judgment, so I understand that too.I'm not a superhuman.And I honestly don't think that any area of mine is suffering.Of course, there are moments when things feel out of balance and there are phases whereone area of my life gets more than, you know, the others and then it shifts.So I'm a Libra, the astrology sign that wants to keep harmony.So yeah, I do.I do spend a considered amount of time evaluating if there's a certain area of mine that needsmore care.And here I'm excited to tell you.So before I go in and explain how I do this or how my life is behind the scenes, I wantto just briefly explain what my life was like before.Like maybe you've listened to more of my podcast where I share more of my backstory.But before we opened, like I see my life in this phase.So there's the moment before I opened my marriage and then before that there's a period, likea five-year period between...An awakening that happened in my marriage after I fell in love with another guy andbefore we opened.So there's a few years there between.So when I think about the quote-unquote before my transition or my rapid or radical kindof shift in awakening, I do think about the time before I had that crush or even beforekids.So about 10 years ago.I was like super busy.I was in the university, I had a kid, I had a marriage and yeah, I was like stressed out.And I didn't feel like I had, I mean, the self-care word didn't really exist in my vocabulary.And I feel like there were two things that kind of woke me up out of this autopilot orlike a zombie kind of living where, yeah, I was just reacting.Yeah.I was reacting to life and I was just doing what I thought I should be doing and I hadnot taken time to consider what I actually wanted in my life and how I actually wantedto live.And so the two awakening points were when I had kids and then again, when I had thisemotional affair, which is probably what you would call it from the monogamous standpointthat I had intense emotions with this other man, not an affair and it wasn't spoken about,but those were moments that woke me up.Yeah.And the reason why I want to mention this, because it is connected to what I'm goingto be sharing, because when that was happening, when I had all of these strong emotions forthat other man, it wasn't because I was, you know, being reckless or inconsiderate.It was because I was starved of many things in my life because I wasn't taking care ofmyself.So that was the lowest point and the version of me that was living my life then had noidea.I didn't know how to get my needs met.She had no idea how to even dive deeper within myself.It was before I did any therapy and yeah, I was like really unconscious and I had alot of thoughts of being a victim.So I mean, I didn't think about being a victim, but I did blame my husband for not being agood enough husband, like not making me happy.And I wasn't aware of that.I wasn't aware that I was outsourcing my happiness to him or to other circumstances in my life.And yeah, so that's kind of the before and okay, so that's the before.I want to just frame that, that that's what my life was like.I was not having great sex.I did not feel deeply fulfilled with friends.I was sort of doing what I wanted to be doing career wise, but now looking back, I can seethere's so many things lacking and I didn't know it at the time.So I didn't know it at the time.I thought I was doing what I most wanted to be doing, but now I can see that therewas huge things missing.Okay.So when I hear this question, like, how do you have time for all of this?There are a few questions that I can kind of hear underneath and I want to name someof them.Another one would be, um, people say I can barely handle one relationship, like let alonehaving multiple, like how, how could you possibly have more?How can you handle one relationship that is difficult enough?And so the assumption there is that a relationship is hard work.And the, so when people say this, their experience is that it's difficult to be in a relationship.It's, it's hard work.It's draining.And the other question that I think is lurking underneath, I don't hear this a lot, butsometimes people ask me this, like, don't you feel guilty choosing to go on a date andnot spend time with your kids?Or.Don't you feel guilty, um, while you were just having fun and your partner is at homewith the kids.So there's this, this belief of guilt underneath.Um, then another one would be, how do you make sure that each partner feels like a priority?Or how, like, how do you make sure that your partners feel like you care about them andthat they get enough of you?Um, and then there's another one that people don't ask me, but I can hear it usually frommoms.Um, and that's the belief that kids are going to suffer because you are, um, spending timeelsewhere, like prioritizing things that are fun to you, uh, instead of being with yourkids.And the assumption there is that being a good mother means being with your kids at all timesor as much as physically possible.And um, and then the question of how do you make sure that all partners feel like theyare a priority?There's this assumption that love is a finite source and that one person receiving loveand attention takes away from the other.And that's why I understand that people feel stressed thinking about having more relationships,like, oh my gosh, then I'm just going to have less to share.Okay.So if you resonated with any of these underlying questions, you are in the right place.And, uh, then let's dive in.So the biggest shift that I see happening.Happening in my development since that before frame to now is that I stopped over givingand I stopped over giving to my husband, my kids, my, my job or my, my studies and pouredmore energy into myself.And especially in my relationship.I've seen that in the transition to non-monogamy to opening up the, the biggest shift thatI felt in my relationship is that we could no longer operate on the default way we did.So we used to spend, you know, almost every week, night or like almost every, every nighttogether.Um, we had kids.So obviously there is the, the, uh, the load of caring for kids that kind of makes it adefault.Um, and that's what I see with all evenings at home.This is what I see with many parents is that they spend every evening together and that'sthe default.Um, and it, it kind of starts to develop when kids are really young and then it often juststays that way.And so I remember when I remember like a very rebellious evening, it was, yes, it was afterwe opened our marriage and we had been watching this episode on Netflix.I don't remember which one.Um, but that was our default.Like it was kids, kids in bed, clean up the dishes, get on the couch, watch a show onNetflix.And I remember a moment where I felt so claustrophobic sitting on that couch and I, I just feltlike I was suffocating.I felt like, yeah, I could just see my life flashing before my eyes like, oh my gosh,I'm going to be sitting on this fucking couch for the rest of my life watching a show anddoing nothing else.My husband loved it.This is the difference between sometimes between men and women and also just between like meand my husband.He, yeah, he's a, he's more of a homebody, uh, whereas I'm more of a social butterflyand need more stimulus and more interactions.And I remember standing up from the couch, going into the next room to pick up my journaland I was like journaling or, or doing something completely different.And I know maybe it sounds like crazy to describe that it felt like a rebellious moment to standup and go to a different room.Not watch a show on Netflix, but because the default had been so set in the hat, thiswas a rebellious move to stand up out of the couch.Um, and from that moment on, I decided to flip the switch and I, I'm sure I heard this ona podcast or somewhere to flip the switch from us spending the evening together as thedefault to us not spending the night together as the default.And if we wanted time together.We would need to ask for it as in, if he wanted to have an evening with me on the couchwatching Netflix, he would have to ask me, do you want to spend the evening with me onthe couch watching Netflix?And then I could have a choice of saying yes or no.And this was a radical change.So this was one way that I broke out of the default mode of, yeah, I would say it's overgiving,but it's like an unconscious giving to the relationship.Again, in our many, many years of, you know, being coming always more and more consciousof how we are operating in our relationship.I have also leaned back from, um, yeah, being the one who's always making sure that we havethe right conversations and you know, that, um, yeah, the, the relationship is movingforward and I stepped back a little bit and focused more on getting my own needs met insteadof.Also making sure that he's getting his needs met.And so I'm leaning into his power that he can take care of himself and same for me.Hey babe, if you want to stop fantasizing about non-monogamy and finally start livingit with full safety, respect and clarity, I would love to invite you to my upcomingcourse, Life Beyond Monogamy.You will learn the step-by-step of how to navigate the challenges in daily life of lovingopenly.I'm someone, me, who has been happily polyamorous with my husband for over eight years now.In that time, we have been through several additional romantic relationships, lovers,breakups, breakthroughs, and we've always found a way back to ourself and each other.If you sign up for the waitlist now, you will benefit from early access bonuses as wellas the founders rate, which is the lowest price this course will ever be.You will find the link in the show notes.And if you have any questions, just send me a message.I'll be happy to answer them.If you have any questions, just send me a message.I'll be happy to answer them.And I would love to hear from you.Okay, so that's one way that things shifted.How does this relate to having more time?Well, I think that in the grand scheme of things, what is it that you want to have timefor?Like, when is it that you don't feel like you have time?And that brings me to my next point.So now, when I look at my life and I look at the whole setup of my life today, I'm goingto say, how do you have time for all of this?Now, I really optimize my life to get my needs met.And so that shift from the couch into doing whatever I wanted to do was me taking an activerole, like an active action in doing what fills my cup.And so all areas of my life, I make sure that they are feeding me and my needs so that I'mI can climb the Maslow hierarchy of needs.If you're not familiar with it, please Google it.It's an amazing tool.I use it in almost all of my workshops and trainings.And the more I am deliberate about doing things that light me up, hanging around with peoplethat bring me energy and doing projects, doing work that lights me up, the more energizedand the more fulfilled I am.And so the really short answer to the question, how do I have time for this, is simply, I don'tdo things that don't fill me up.I only do things that light me up, that I enjoy, that leave me more energized than drained.And when you check your life and all of your areas against this question, is this bringingme more energy or is it draining me?And then you just start to tweak all of your different areas against this question, you will see abig shift.Now, what I'm assuming about the mainstream, typical person is that, yes, certainly there areelements in their lives that fill them up, but many people I can see and I can hear in themand then, yeah, they reveal to me that many areas of their lives are stagnant and they don't bringthem more energy and they're draining them.And so my, like I said before, I was sort of doing what I wanted to be doing.I was an engineer and an economist, economist, and it was just clear that that was not what I wantedto do most of all.I was good at it.I was, I was, I was okay, pretty good at it.Not the best, definitely, but it was not the best that I could do.And so I think one of the best decisions that I made was finishing my master's degree ineconomics.I'm going to teach yoga and figure out what I actually wanted to do.And so today, I don't spend a lot of time in an office that I don't enjoy.My, my work really fulfills me at such a deep level.Wow.It's, yeah, it's incredible.So right now I'm just coming out of the Wild Love Festival here in Iceland where I was facilitatingworkshops and, you know, so much of what I was doing during this time was just, you know,this week was really the highlight of showing what I'm actually supposed to be doing in thislife.And, and I, and I can feel it.There were so many people that came up to me and said, thank you so much for this.This was so incredibly rewarding.It's, it's a joy to watch you in your work.And many people told me you were born to do this.And I could, I felt so confident.I could feel myself being in full flow when I was there.Guiding people into beautiful transformations and epic experiences.And I feel like that's such a good example of how your work can fuel you.Like it didn't even feel like work.It was so much fun.It was so amazing.And I feel so full, like full in a good way that my, my cup is full.It's overflowing after this week at this festival because I got to be in the, in the exact,in the exact place.That I want to be.And so that is a big, big part of why I have time for every, like all of this in my lifeis that I don't work too much and my work really, really fills me up.I love it so much.It gives me so much energy.And the same with my relationships.Like I'm only in relationships that fuel my growth, that energize me.And so I make sure to structure.My relationships in a way that I get my needs met from them.Opposed to the default that I used to feel.And what I see many people do is that they are committed to a relationship.They're committed to a person and they have, um, yeah, they have, um, they've been livingin a certain structure or, uh, you know, the way they do things as my Netflix on the couchevening was showing.And, um, they don't stop to question.Is this really?Is this really fueling me and what I see in monogamous relationships when you only haveone person to, to fulfill many of the needs.And of course these are not hard and fast rules, but this is how many people see therelationships.Like this is my person.This is the person that I'm responsible for meeting their needs in a super serious way.And I think that's why people say.Having.One person is hard enough.And that's because you are not able to fulfill another person entirely.And then one person is not able to meet all of your needs.And so once I have given up on that, you know, illusion that one person can fulfill all ofmy needs, I am free to enjoy my time with my husband in a way that is very nourishingto the both of us and really fits the way we want to live and parent and, you know, co-happiness.And all of those things and get the sexual needs that we want from each other and theemotional needs that we really want to enjoy together.And then there's a whole huge area of other needs that I can get met from other peoplethan him that other people are way more suited to do simply because of the way they are.And it's, for me, I experienced it as such an effortless flow of energy.Like, and I feel just like the whole, whole system organizes.I hope this is concrete enough and not too fluffy.And so when all of my areas are set up in a way that they really fuel me, and I've hadto adjust my relationships multiple times.So, for example, with my boyfriend in the beginning, we met like once a month.We live in separate countries, so we traveled a lot.And after a while of trying this out.Because it was new for me.So after about a year of having, or a year and a half maybe, of having this constanttraveling back and forth, I realized that I was so tired.I was so tired of traveling and that the cost-benefit ratio wasn't really in balance anymore.So I needed to travel less and find other ways to get my needs fulfilled with him in therelationship.So we had to sit down and really look at what are the needs?What are the needs that we can get from each other and that we want to get from each other?And how can we adjust?So that is a question that I hope you all ring into your different relationships.That's why in my course, Life Beyond Monogamy, one of the first modules is all about helpingyou understand your needs.And I created this great tool to help you understand that.And yeah, I hope you join the course to really help yourself understand your needs better.Okay.Shift in topic.So another way that I have more time.So many people that ask me these questions are parents.I'm a mom.I have two kids.They are now 10 and 14.And another huge shift that has given me time and makes it possible for me to have all ofthis is that I don't over-mother my kids.I don't helicopter them.And I radically clarified for myself.And to communicate it to my kids.What is my actual job as their mom?We have seen a change in how people parent from being, of course, very emotionally distant,bare minimum, never sharing, you know, words of love and appreciation and not having alot of quality time with kids into the extreme opposite where you overly praise, overspendtime with them, baby them for way too long.Which...Has the effect that it stunts their growth.So me as a mom, I have really been careful of helping my kids become capable, responsiblekids.So they do their chores.We don't reward them.We don't pay them for that.And I make sure...I give them a lot of trust.And I really make sure to treat them with the respect that I think they deserve in a sensewhere...I refuse to have my kids drain me.And I can tell you a back story.So I remember we lived...We moved to a new town.And there was a neighbor.My kids were quite young at this point.They were like one and five.And I met this neighbor.And she was...So we frequently visited her.So I knew her quite well.And at one point I was at her house.And she was...She was kind of...I mean, she was happy.She was happy seeing me.But she was...There was a frustration she was sharing with me.And that was her son who was...I think he was like 19, 20.He had decided to not move away to go to college.And she was so frustrated because she thought it was time that he moved out, grew up andbecame a man.And when she shared more about it, she told me...That she was still washing his clothes, folding them, putting them away.And she was tired of it.And so in her mind, the only way for him to grow up and become a manand learn to take care of himself was if he would move away.And what I learned in that moment was...This is a woman who cannot set boundaries with her kids.And this is a woman who is pouring herself thin in taking care of grown-up kids.And I made a promise to myself that day.I am not going to become a bitter...Resentful mom at grown-up children.And ironically, a few days later, I was at the library with my kidsand I found a book called How Much Is Enough?I got this book.It's about not over-parenting or not over-giving to your kids.And what I learned from this book is that over-indulging your kids is a form of negligence.You are robbing your kids of the opportunity to grow.When you do everything...And so at that time, my older one was like five.I taught him how to empty the dishwasher.And because I was staying at home with my one-year-old,there was plenty for me to do at home.And he would often spend the day with us too.And I taught him how to empty the dishwasher.And that was his job.So he would empty the dishwasher every day.I would do it with him, of course,until he was good enough to do it himself.And honestly, it was so rewarding for me to seemy five-year-old become capable of doing this.He was actually capable of helping the housewith a task that he was super proud of that he could do.I mean, sometimes it would take him agesand he would just play with things, but that's okay.What's the point of life anyway, if not to playand turn your chores into a game?I'm fine with that.But it was so rewarding to see my five-year-oldbe able to contribute to the household.And I was like, wow, I'm really seeing the magicthat this book was talking about.And that it's such a gift to kidsand their self-confidence and their self-imageand their sense of belonging and love and respectto be able to contribute to the household.And from that moment on, I've just promised myselfto continue helping my kids learnto become capable human beings.And I mean, if we think back, you know, centuries,that's what kids were brought into the world for.They were work for us.I mean, of course, I'm not sayingwe should go into child labor,but...I think we've taken this way too far.So if you're a parent listening to thisand you are already tired of thinking abouthow you need to pack their lunch tomorrowand their, you know, swimsuitand help them with their homework and all of this,I beg you, please take a momentand look at how you are robbing your kidsof the dignity and respectand the growth opportunityto become a resourceful human being.You can even Googlechores appropriate for different agesif you think your kids are not capable.Go Google itand see you'll be surprisedby what they can do.But of course, with anything else,this requires effort.And so it does require timeto train your kids to take part in the household.Okay, I think I'm getting way off topic here.So, in short,I make sure that my kids don't drain meand I make sure that they becomea responsible contributor to the household.And it really feels likeit feels good.And whenever I have conversations about this,people are shocked to hearthe way we do things.I mean, now my 14-year-old,he can easily cook multiple meals.He washes his own clothes.He really makes his own moneybecause there was a momentwhere he was constantly asking usto buy him clothesbecause, you know,the ones he bought last weekwere no longer cool.And I was so tired of having this conversation.I said, hey, babe,you can just go make your own money.It's time.You're old enough.You have to find ways.And he would complainuntil after enough conversationshe realized he actually had power hereand he could actually do it.And so now he makes good moneyand he buys his own clothesand he's fully sufficient on thisas a 14-year-old.It's amazing.I'm so proud of it.I think I might need to doan actual separate episode on kidsbecause I have more to sayand this is already a long episode.Just a final note on the thing with kidsis that when I...Because I definitely hadvoices in my headsaying that I was a bad momfor not giving them, you know,a PlayStation,not wanting to drive them.But I'd really realized thatwhen they did not contribute at allto the householdand, you know,they made a mess,they didn't clean upand they wanted me to buy them candyand drive them places,I was like,mm-mm,not gonna work.And so I made them understandthat as a mom,it's not my jobto give them candyand a PlayStationand drive them around.That's a luxury.What my actual job isis to feed them,give them clothes,help them live in a houseand go to school.That's my actual job,the baseline job.And that it's nota human rights violationif they don't get a PlayStation,if they don't get candyand if I don't drive themto places that they want to go.And I neededto convince myselfof this firstbecause I livein the same society as you.I see the influenceof other parentsand how they overparentand overgive to their kidsand I really neededto get thatthis lesson myself.And so it helpedto tell my kids this.And so nowthey want to contributeand now I'm happyto give them thingswhere I can seethat I canenhance their life.Okay.So that's one waythat my kidsare not draining meand that frees upmore time for me.It also frees upmy connection with them.So I respect them morebecause I seehow capable they areand how much they wantto be able to do that.And I think that's a good thing.And I think that's a good thing.And I think that's a good thing.And I think that's a good thing.Participate.Andokay.I've talked about thisand this.My relationships feed me.Yup.I think I already showedthat one.And soto zoom it all upevery area of my lifefeeds me.Feeds me energy.Joy.AndI really feel likeI'm consciously choosingwhat events I go towhat friendshipsI cultivate.And I simply just sayno.no to events that I don't want to go toI limitmy interaction with relationships that are notgiving mea lot and it's quite simplebecause when I'm awareof what I really want tocultivate in my lifemy priorities just becomeclearer so if I need to sayno to an event that Iknow is going to drain me more than feed meI'll simply say I can't comebecause I'm really prioritizing thisother thing and I need to go to do thatthis evening and so itdoesn't become this like I don't like you anymore I'm not going tocome it's just I have otherthings to take care of that are more important to meand same with the gymthe gym ortaking care of my body is something that really fuels megoing to different trainings I loveit it feeds my mindand my soul I makenew connections and great memoriesand so that's something thatI've realized is really a priority to meso a few years ago I decidedthat every year I would go to a retreatevery year now I actuallydo like more than onebut it all comes back to helping meget better at what I want to dowhich is host my own retreats andworkshops and so I'm always learning moreand justfueling my curiosityandmy driver for the work that I do islike I want to make money so that I can goto different trainings that I love to doand you know the moreI learn the more I'm alsomore experienced and I canjoin different retreats and trainingsas an assistant because I havesomething to offer to the spaceand so that's also a way that yourwork can become veryfulfilling because if you're doing something thatyou're really passionate andcurious about that's going to fuelyou and it becomes a selfsustaining systemso toclose this all offI'm sure I could talk more about moreof these things but to close this off islike the answer to how do you have more timeit's not simply aboutthe calendar it's about consciouslychoosing the areasthat bring you energybecause the moreyeah the more energy you have the moreenjoyment you haveand maybe the less you need to doI feel likein summary it'sjust about following where is theleast effort and most joyand if you're a relationshipif you're in one relationshipand it's difficultand it's hard workoften it's hard work because needsare not being met andit's a stagnant systemso my life is full becauseI feel very full on all of theseareas and of coursethere are moments where it feelsdifficult but that's usually so when Inotice that resentment is creeping upor I'm hoping that peopleare going to cancelorI'm hoping that people are going tothat's usually a moment for me to pauseand re-evaluatewhat I'm spending my time onthe biggest thing that Istill fall into doingis to over plan so now I justfinished this festivalnext week I'm traveling to ahigh rocks race andit's just on the edge of beingtoo muchso yeahthe luxury problem of having too manygood things in your lifethat's why it's important to have peoplein my life thathelp meconnect to myselflisten to my individual needswhat I find is easieris to make plans with othersand I find it hard to make plansjust for myselfand yeah that's what Iright now I'm actually in the process ofgettingpeople who are very closeto me to help me with thatso I have people who hold me accountablefor taking care of myselfand so that's another wayI'm finding ways to have myrelationships help memeet my needs even though thoseneeds are not going to be fulfilledwith those peopleI still have a witness and somebody tohold me accountable to takingcare of myselfandthe beauty of this and this is whatI hope everybody gets from the work that I'mdoing that you don't have to be non-monogamous to dothis you really don'tbut you do need to askyourself where am I giving more of myselfthan I want towhere am I following along because of obligationand where would I like to give more of myselffrom genuine alivenessand what would genuinely fill mewith alivenessand you don't have to be non-monogamous for thisI mean that's only for a veryanyway that's a whole different topicbut yeah there's a lot you can doin opening up your freedom and your nourishmentwhile staying monogamousand I think that's a really good thingand if you're confused about that that's what mycourse is about is helpingyou decipheryour needs and your preferences inlife in order to make the bestchoice for yourselfand so my wishfor everybody is tobe moreself-actualized that you arethe best version of youyou are living the bestdream life imaginableand if it needs to be non-monogamousto get there that's what I can support youwith but it doesn't have to bebut I mostly want you to not be livingout of obligation and I want youto really feel like you have a choiceand in order to fully havea choice you need to be aware of what are theoptions you need to be informedand in orderto be informed fully you need tobe open-minded enough to reallylisten to the informationand yeah that's often trickyand that's what I'm here for soif you want to learn moreabout this you can look at the linksin the show notes andcheck out my course my different offeringsor even apply it to one-on-one coachingbecause I really want you to be able tosay in every areaof my life I'm exactly where I wantto be all areas of mylife fuel me fill me up with energyand joy and I do nothingout of obligation like that's trulywhat I want for youso thank youso much for listening if you have anyquestions orfeedback about this episodeI would love to hear it so send me amessage on Instagramor an emailyou can probably find my email somewhereso sending you so much love I hopethis answered this very complex questionof how do I have time for all of thisand the lastquestion I want to leave you with isis there anywhere else I would like to beI ask myself this so oftenis there anywhere else I would rather beand hopefully the answeris a full fuck noI'm exactly where I want to bein every area of my lifeand I hope you get to experiencethe bliss that I experienced this weekendwhen I was hosting an amazingworkshop an amazing partyand so many people were enjoyingthemselves so much in the space that I createdand when I asked myself is thereanywhere else I would rather be it was a fuckno I am exactly where I wantto be where I should be where I'mflourishing where everybody else is enjoyingmy gifts to the worldand that is what I want for you tooso sending you so much lovethank you for listening and I catch you in the next episodeif this episodemoved something in you I would love to hear itsend me a message on instagramat risewithorhilduror follow any of the links in the show notesto explore other ways we could rise togetheruntil next timekeep choosing truth, powerand your own radical selfand I'll see you next time
